PALPATINE = SENATOR OF NABOO?
  • MAR 16
Deepthroat wrote: "A note on my theory that Palpatine is the senator from the queen's planet.  Lucas made a comment (no, I can't remember where, it might have been the annotated sceenplays or the Magic of Myth or somewhere else, but I'm sure it was Lucas) that there's a whole backstory for the Imperial guards in Jedi that was going to be explored in the prequels.  Now, we all know about the rumor about Naboo having royal gurads whose costumes very closely resemble those of the guards from ROTJ.  But does showing a similar-looking costume really constitute a "backstory"?  If Palpatine is the senator from Naboo, then it might make more sense.  I also should note that the last SW Insider makes a clear reference to a scene between Portman and a "regal-looking" Palpatine--might he even be a member of the royal family?  After all, Alderaanian senators were members of the royal family (Prince Bail and Princess Leia Organa)--perhaps this would support the Naboo=Alderaan theory, although I personally think that theory has too many holes.  In any case, food for thought." 
  • MAR 17
Anthony Renaud wrote:   
"This seems very plausible.  In the early drafts, the royal family of   
Aquilae have a councillor who more or less betrays them to the Empire.   
Of course, he was cut in two by the venerable Jedi general Luke   
Skywalker, who is in charge of their military forces.  The General and   
his young apprentice Annikin are to escort the young princess Leia to   
allied forces where they will get men and weapons to retake the throne.   
You change a few of the names (Luke to Qui-Gon, Annikin to Obi-wan, Leia   
to Padme) and some of the plot details and you get a close approximation   
of the believed plot of Episode 1.  So it is easy enough to believe that   
Senator Palpatine starts off as that duplicitous councillor to the Royal   
family, only he doesn't get cut in half.  I think there are going to be   
a plethora of similiarities between the plot of Ep. 1 and the early   
drafts."
Dan wrote:   
"I would like to respond to what Deepthroat said.   

I was also curious to know how Lucas & Co. are going to handle Palpatine as   
the new Emperor.  Is he going to be the weak ruler described in the SW:ANH   
novelization, or has Lucas abandoned that concept for the ruthless ruler seen   
in ROTJ.  I was reading the novelization earlier looking for indications of   
the Emperor's weakness, and was very surprised to find the following:   
"'As the Emperor wills it,' Vader added, NOT WITHOUT SARCASM, ' so shall it   
be."   
Vader speaking about Palpatine with a disrespectful tone.  This certainly   
creates questions as to what their relationship was like 18/20 years before   
ANH.  I really wanted to see what you guys thought about this."

  • MAR 18
Deepthroat wrote:   
"With the "100%" confirmation of this rumor over at the main prequel  
section of theforce.net, I think it's safe to say that we have stumbled  
upon a real good one here.  In addition to what I mentioned in an  
earlier post about the similarity between the Naboo and Imperial royal  
guards, I think this information makes sense in other ways as well.   
There was another well-travelled rumor that I believe came from the  
earliest reports from the Caserta set back in July which mentioned that  
Naboo was a sort of "planet-symbol" of the old republic, albeit with  
minimal independent power.  In any case, this would go along with the  
Palpatine information, seeing how he could use his status as the senator  
from this well-respected planet (and perhaps also as a member of its  
royal family--maybe an uncle of Padme's?) to maneuver himself into  
positions of greater power.  It would also help explain how he can  
manipulate the Jedis' role in the ep. 1 conflict and perhaps in  
conflicts further down the line as well.  Most importantly of all, it  
would help explain how and why Palpatine has access to Anakin--I had  
always been puzzled by the fact that Anakin was turned by some random,  
anonymous senator.  If Palpatine is close to Anakin's future wife in  
some way, though, the opportunity to corrupt Anakin is much easier to  
see.  

The possibility of Palpatine being part of the royal family also makes  
sense to me in another way--if Naboo is indeed an anomolous matriarchal  
society in the galaxy, then it would explain how the much older  
Palpatine would be passed over for the throne, and it might also explain  
the root of his own evil.  

In response to Dan's post about the ambiguous Vader/Palpatine  
relationship, it should be pointed out that Vader's disrespectful tone  
toward Palpatine is not limited to the ANH novelization--remember that  
in ESB he is asking Luke to help him kill the Emperor and take over the  
galaxy (yes, I know that the Emperor foresaw this, but I'm sure he  
didn't want it to happen).  This notion also survived into the early  
drafts of ROTJ.  This does not in any way lessen the Emperor's hold on  
Vader, but rather reflects the tendancy of any slave to seek to  
overthrow his master, even as he is powerless against the master  
himself.  Casting the Emperor/Vader relationship as master/slave (which  
a lot of the dialogue in both ESB and ROTJ support, "my friend"  
notwithstanding) also casts an interesting and tragic light on the  
Anakin &Schmi slave rumors that have been circulating.  It may turn out  
over the course of the prequel trilogy that Anakin has never been truly  
or completely free--enslaved to Watto or to Palpatine or, if you prefer,  
to the Dark Side.  This would certainly give an added note of poignancy  
to the ending of ROTJ, when Anakin, with Luke's help, finally frees  
himself before dying."

Jamie Wire wrote:   
"FILM ONE  
In my opinion, Senator Palpatine will be just that in the first film.   
He is, it would also seem, the senator for Naboo/Alderaan(?) and   
therefore will liase closely with his young queen. (Wild speculation   
for me - maybe HE insidiously kills her mother, the Old Queen,   
in order for a weaker one to come in, but to his annoyance, she isn't   
quite so weak). Terrance Stamp said that "a real barracuda" is trying   
to force him out of office. Stamp also said he is a fairly beleagered   
character who has alot to deal with. It would be an obvious assumption   
to assume this carping harrassment is Palpatine. Maybe it is, maybe   
not. Lucas said that we will not suspect Palpatine's intentions, nor will   
anyone else as his rise is furtive and silent.   

PART TWO  
He takies control fairly, (presumably Stamp will meet with an accident,  
or will somehow lose the faith, and ultimately the vote of the entire   
galaxy), then at another point not yet revealed will begin the   
extermination of the Jedi. No-one seems to know if Terrance Stamp is   
in Part 2: this information would certainly help. Remember about   
Palpatine. If someone is completely trustworthy, but lacks real ambition,   
and in a time of crisis you're in deep crap, and someone needed to take  
over a galaxy in disrepair, you're going to suggest a realiable,   
trustworthy person. Maybe the queen takes yet more bad advice and   
suggests Palpatine runs for the vacant Viceroy of the Galaxy position,   
which he has perhaps made available through yet more insidious ways.   
He of course will decline the offer, but after harrassment and gentle   
coaxing will be forced into running for office. As he did not jump   
for the job, no-one will suspect that he wants it. So he bacomes   
President of the Universe through fair methods on the surface. He   
must manipulate or bootlick the young queen in episode one in order   
to utilise her later on when she will suggest her loyal senator for   
the Chancellor job.  
Here's some questions...  

1. Why does Palpatine betray his queen?  
2. What are his motivations?  
3. How do Darth Sidious and Darth Maul come into it all?  
4. Who kills them and why?  
5. Why does Palatine, if he did, kill them and replace them with   
himself and his robotic lunatic Darth Vader?  
6. Will Senator Palpatine kill Padme's mother (for reasons listed   
above), Chancellor Valorum, and everyone else in the film?"

  • MAR 20
Theresa Khuri wrote:   
"In response to Jamie on question one:Palpatine betrays his queen because he 
is power hungry.He has no sense of right and wrong.As to question 
two,Palpatine's motivations might be "I have the chance to rule so I will 
cheat  and rule,muahahahahah!!!Possible eh? :-) And as to why he would kill 
Darth Sidious and Darth Mhaul (Darth seems to be trendy name with the Sith 
creeps) when someone is evil they will stop at nothing to come to power.If 
he betrays the queen,and possibly kills her mother, then sure he could kill 
the the two Darth guys.Then he would take power along with his right hand 
Vader."
Deepthroat wrote:   
"In response to Jamie Wire's question about who kills Darth Maul and 
Darth Sideous, allow me to quote George Lucas from the Annotated 
Screenplays:  "I didn't want Vader to be all-powerful. . . .In fact, he 
is one of the Dark Lords who is working for the Emperor . . . they're 
like marshals or policemen. . . . In the case of the Jedi, they work for 
the Republic, and in the case of the Sith Lords, they work for the 
Empire" [emphases added].  This quote is under the ROTJ section and the 
implication is that at that time there were a number of Dark Lords who 
worked for the Emperor (and that perhaps the "Darths" of ep. 1 were not 
killed).  I'd rather not believe it, for reasons I'd previously stated 
with regard to the topic of keeping Vader's identity a mystery, and also 
because I think if this is true it detracts from Vader's importance.  
But those are Lucas' words."
Jamie Wire wrote:   
"There were a few noticeable things in the latest issue of the Star  
Wars magazine regarding Palpatine. 

Ian McDiarmid says in it that he expects to be in all three movies,  
(although he doesn't know yet), he says that he is the Emperor, but most  
importantly, he adds that he didn't get to go to film in Naples, so  
whoever said that he was the Naboo senator based on the fact that he  
was there (at the coronation)is clearly wrong. This doesn't mean that  
he didn't appear in scenes set on Naboo in Leavesden. Only the spies  
will know this. Just a minor point, it is apparently pronounced  
palpaTINE not palpaTEEN. this from Ian and George. and on the subject  
of names, Padme is definite. It is used on the Star Wars official  
page. The magazine also says that Neesons character will remain a  
closely guarded  secret, even the name will not be released for now.  
Why? Is Qui Gon Jinn a giveaway about something? Also, Ahmed Best's  
character is referred to as "that character". 
Does it matter to release names? Names are practically nothing. It  
doesn't give away the plot."

  • MAR 22
Valynis wrote:   
"You know what, after reading Deepthroat's reply of the 18th March, a 
funny theory popped into my head. Deepthroat wrote: "and perhaps also a 
member of its (Naboo) royal family--maybe an uncle of Padme's?" I read 
that and, without wanting it, an idea strucked me: And if Palpatine was 
Padme's father? 

I know, I know, another "I am your father". But the idea was too 
powerful to erase by itself. It was too funny. So, I decided to think 
about it for a while. There's some details that could fit... 

It would be a good reason for Anakin to trust him, Palpatine being his 
stepfather. And it gives a good reason why Palpatine would spot Anakin 
among other would-be Jedi (because he is dating his daughter). 

And imagine it: Padme, daughter of Palpatine, and Anakin Skywalker 
having children. Wouldn't they be even more powerful than we thought? 
This really could justify the emperor's fear of them. 

Anything else? Bring in your thoughts about it. Hey, I don't believe it 
myself! It seems too much to be true. But let's play with the theory..."

Jom wrote:   
"To Jamie Wire:  It was me who came to the conclusion that is Ian Mc was 
in Italy for those scenes then it is possible that he was the Naboo 
Senator.  There WERE rumors at the time (remember the "Emperor 
Coronation" rumors?) but, as you say, the Insider contradicts this.  
Therefore, I came up with this on a FALSE rumor, HAHAHAH.  Oh well, what 
are ya gonna do?  Aren't rumors wonderful?"
Jared wrote:   
"Today I saw on SWD prequels they were questioning why the 2 Darths would 
attack palpatine's planet if they were on the same side which they are 
but here is why they would. 1: because the Empire doesn't exist yet and 
is what Palpatine is doing is he is joining with the Nimoudians secretly 
and trying to bring bad ideas into the senate by making them look 
good(like a canidate for office kisses babies) so his goal is to become 
powerful within the Nimoudian army then crush the Nimoudians like 
bugs.2: it would be perfect because everybody on Naboo would think "no 
couldn't be him. Why would he want his own planet destroyed" so it would 
be the perfect cover up. this is why I think it all fits together!  what 
do you guys think?"
  • MAR 24
Jom wrote:   
"To Valynis:  I think the essence of what you are saying could be true
but I don't think Palpatine is Padme's dad.  Her name is Amidala or
something like that.  BUT Palp doesn't have to be her father for her to
trust him.  After all he is an upstanding citizen of Naboo who is the
long time Senator?  Right?  And he will have access to Anakin once
Anakin gets involved with Padme.  Certainly this is a possibility."