|TRUE CONFESSIONS OF A FAKE SPY|
Deepthroat: "I just wanted to clear up another false rumor, referred to by EZ9D9 in his post of Feb. 9 [under the topic "The Third Trilogy...?"]. The idea of Lucas wanting to publish the Journal of the Whills was also a fabrication of mine, although I still think it would incredibly cool. Imagine, the entire Star Wars saga--from the dawn of galactic civilization to whenever--presented on a biblical scale. And just like the Bible, we would have different versions of the same events, blatant contradictions (e.g., does Boba Fett live or die after the Pit of Carkoon? Is the emperor really cloned?) as well as minor inconsistencies. I envisioned it as taking everything ever officially written about the sw universe, from the newspaper serials to the new novels to the Droids cartoon series (and maybe some fan fiction too), and compiling the stories in one elaborate new format. One book could be "written" by the droids, another by Luke, another by Obi-Wan, and so on. It would encapsulate the saga as a true modern myth, and I'd bet, that if it were discovered by a new civilization a million years from now, it could easily form the basis of a new religion. Anyway, as I said, this is all a fan's fantasy, so don't expect it to happen."
EZ9D9 wrote: "To Deepthroat
When I referred to the Journals, and said I read it somewhere, it was NOT from a post and did not have your name accompanying it. For me to say where I read it from, i don't recall but i'm pretty sure it was from a Magazine."
"I was lurking on the rassm newsgroup just now and came across a few messages
that reflect the continuing influence of the prequel "scoops" that I began
reporting last year. So, allow me to catalog, to the best of my recollection,
the major rumors I began:
Jom wrote: "Rod, thanks for posting "Deepthroat's" confession. I always hated the so-called "Vader indentity" secret thing as noted in some of my posts. This is a great relief to me in knowing this was false."
|Ryan G. wrote: "My question is "Why?" Why all these fake rumors? I've heard all of these rumors on 99% of all the pages about prequels(they all tend to be the same now),so why all the fake rumors? People have been OBSESSED with the prequels ever since the stir-up of Star Wars interest because of the Special Edition. Even the super crappy pages have all these basic rumors of the prequels. You even went as far to say as "People who have claimed to say they have seen this first scene of the film.." referring that this rumor was collaberated on by several groups of persons, when actually it was just some guy with a computer and a creative mind. Also, the stuff about the lightsabers and everything else. So now i come back to my original question, "Why?". Thank you."|
Deepthroat wrote: "The only answer I can give to Ryan G's question ("Why?) is "Why not?" It's true, I'm just some guy with a computer and an active imagination (actually, I don't even have my own computer), but so what? Were you or anyone else irrepably scarred by being led to believe that Darth Vader's identity would be kept a secret, or by any of the other rumors I passed off as genuine? I know that Roderick puts a lot of hard work into creating the images for the Virtual Edition, but he knows that some of the stuff he's putting into his plotline might never end up in the movie--so what? That doesn't make it any less fun to speculate and stir up discussion. Yes, I lied, but when I first started I honestly didn't expect too many folks to believe the words of an anonymous e-mailer who couldn't offer any sort of proof or corroboration of his information. When people did take notice, I got excited and perhaps carried away. But I also started during a period in which very little if any real information was coming out, and by the time filming started and real reports started pouring in, Harry, Corona, and most everbody else got wise and stopped listening. My only purpose now is to clear up any residual confusion, as a clearer, factual image of what the prequels will look like starts to take shape."
Gillespee wrote: "[...] If you want to speculate, I think that's not only acceptable, but great. I mean, speculations usually bring out new insights. But why not just join a speculation discussion, why did he see the need to claim his rumors were true? Most of his rumors were at least partially based on fact, why not just state the facts and add a little guesswork, and post it somewhere as speculation. And as to his reason, "Why not?" I ask, just because you can do something, does that make it ethical. I think Deepthroat owes basically everyone who has read these rumors an apology.
In his letter from Feb. 15, Deepthroat : "I know that Roderick puts a lot of hard work into creating the images for the Virtual Edition, but he knows that some of the stuff he's putting into his plotline might never end up in the movie--so what? That doesn't make it any less fun to speculate and stir up discussion." So not only did he acknowledge that he lied and took pleasure from it, but he took pleasure from watching someone else, who works for free giving a service to help us, the masses, out in visualizing some of the Prequels, working hard only find out it's based on pure lies. That really annoys me. And he didn't speculate, he lied. Big difference."
|Jom wrote: "The real problem here with putting out false rumors is that some of the webmasters don't take the time to check their sources. It's also very disappointing to me that some of these webmasters who put up this stuff originally don't retract their earlier scoops and admit they made a mistake. Why should we hear this at Roderick's site? He didn't put this stuff up. Anyone who puts out this stuff on their website should be responsable for it. Harry, Corona are you listening??"|
wrote: "Well, I wouldn't be too severe with
'Deepthroat'. Harry always knew to appreciate the good fake spies, because
it takes a lot of creativity to make good fake rumors. However, I can understand
that some would prefer to see this creativity being expressed in another
way... Deepthroat has learned us all a lesson: let's be very, very careful
with the unconfirmed rumors. We know that there's a big difference between
the way Harry and Corona gather their information, and the way theForce.net
and e.g. Chris Kivlehan find theirs.
Let me quote Tinman from theForce.net on this: "let me explain the difference between how HARRY reports news and how THEFORCE.NET reports news. Harry gets some mail, looks at it, says "Cool!", and posts it without a second thought. (trust me, I'm good friends with Glen Oliver). Corona does the same thing. People like DeepThroat have lots of fun with sites like these. WE, on the other hand, get news. If it comes from a source WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN RIGHT BEFORE, we check it out with our other sources, and finally, if it appears 100% solid, we post it. The Watto description is one such post. I can't tell you who our source is who broke us the news, but he's extremely reliable, and *very much* in the know. I'd point out that time and time again (with prequel names, with the jedi Council, etc) we've been proven right...so let the records stand! :)" (Tinman on the Pacific Voice Silver Screen Forum). I know that Chris Kivlehan's sources are also extremely reliable.
So in the future, I will rely more exclusively on these sources of information, because it's true that it's a bit frustrating to work for hours on some new pictures, only to discover that all the work has been for nothing. I know that that's the risk of the whole concept of the Virtual Edition: one day you'll see the Real Edition, and it will look very different from the Virtual one, but right now, I'd rather spend my time creating pictures of scenes that we'll probably see in a Real Version in 1999, than illustrating the creative outbursts of would-be Prequel spies!"
'Deepthroat' wrote: "I don't want this forum to turn into a shouting match between myself and my critics, but I do want to clear things up a bit. I never meant to imply that I took pleasure is seeing other people (e.g., Roderick) do a lot of hard work only to find that it is based on false rumors. My point is that this is all fun--we are talking about movies here, not state secrets. People like Roderick and Harry and the guys at Corona are indeed performing a public service, but their web rumor sites are not (as far as I know) their whole livelihood--they do this because they love SW, or movies in general. I also think that there is a qualified difference between someone like me and the guy(s) who run around impersonating Scott Chitwood or anyone else. I did not mean to cause any harm, and I don't believe that any harm was done. But that's really besides the point. Gillespie is right--a lie is a lie, and I apologize to everyone I misled or attempted to mislead.
Also, in fairness to Harry & Corona, I have not sent them any "confessions," so they really can't be faulted for failing to printing retractions. Furthermore, their sites cannot be mistaken for the Wall Street Journal--they present their information as rumors, and that is how their information should be digested; in this light, I don't think they have any sort of moral obligation to print retractions."
Gillespee wrote: "First of all, I just wanted to say that I forgive Deepthroat for misspelling my handle, something a true Zahn fan should never do. :)
Second of all, I also didn't want this to become a shouting match. I just react strongly about anything Star Wars. This may sound a little (OK, a lot) corny but Star Wars really means a lot to me. It comes in my life as one of the more important things in my life, behind my religion, my family, and my friends (and other things I'm sure I could come up with if I gave it some thought.) I may be more "into" than I should, but hey, it's a great story with a happy ending, and I'm a sucker for it. I can't imagine buying as many lousy books about anything else as I have about Star Wars. Who knows, but I just get a little protective now and again. So if I sounded a little (OK, a lot) miffed, I was just being protective of something I love.
Third: For what it's worth, I accept Deepthroat's apology and won't speak a word about it again, and as far as I'm concerned, the books are clear. I think what got me the maddest was when I thought Deep said he thought it was funny that Roderick had done all that work for nothing. I have a web page, not nearly as impressive as this one, but I have put a lott of work into it and wouldn't enjoy seeing it ruined. But since Deep said that wasn't what he meant, I think it's my turn to apologize (Roderick--sorry, I jumped to your defense a little too early.)
Anyway, this is getting sappy, but I do mean it all, so . . . let's move on to more constructive discussion."
Ryan G wrote: "In regard to the letter asking about why you made up the rumors, I may have sounded a bit hostile towards you, which later ended up the start of a small shouting match. I did not realize this would happen, and Deepthroat, I would like to say that I'm sorry."