REPEATING THEMES: EPISODE 1 PARALLELS EPISODE 4?
DEC 10 - REPEATING THEMES: EPISODE 1 PARALLELS EPISODE 4?
    
Here's an interesting and plausible sounding plotline suggestion. It was sent to me through an anonymous remailer. Whoever you are, thank you for your contribution! My comments are at the bottom of this page. If you have any comments, please feel free to write me your reactions.   

In reply to Paul Potiki (see the discussion about the order of events in Episode 1), I wrote: "Lucas stated in a recent interview that he'll make the movies like a musical composition, repeating certain 'themes' to give the movies a harmonic framework. Starting Episode 1 with the same 'theme' as the ending of the last Episode would illustrate this 'composition'."   
The anonymous person reacted:   

"Rod:   

I think you are mis-interpreting what George has said about his movies repeating the same themes over and over again.  He repeats the same concept (i.e., betrayal, love triangles, destruction of bad guys headquarters) not the same physical scenes.  What I mean is that the prequel does not open with Coruscant because ROTJ ended with Coruscant; that is not how symphonies are composed.   

  • For example, Anakin represents Luke.  Anakin is waiting around in the Tatooine desert for something to happen just like Luke was in ANH.
  • Qui-Gon Jinn is hermited away in the Dune Seas just like Ben was in a New Hope.
  • Events occur which force Qui-Gon to come out of "retirement" and fate whisks Anakin away from Tatooine because his family is murdered by the bad guys just like Lukes family was killed in ANH.
  • At the beginning of the film, Padme arrives on Tattoine to hide from the "bad guys" who are pursuing her.
  • Anakin, Qui-Gon, Padme and R2 arrive in Mos Espa looking for someone to get them off Tattoine. Enter Ben Kenobi who is a reckless freighter pilot and he takes them to Naboo.
So when Lucas says that everyone will think Episode I is Star Wars, just with a shorter Luke Skywalker (this comment by George was in the most recent edition of the Star Wars Insider), he is saying that because the storylines of Episode I and Episode IV closely parallel each other.   

But instead of having to rescue the princess, one of her relatives has to be rescued instead and along the way Qui-Gon finds Jar Jar who joins the adventure . . . "

> DEC 10 - REACTION 1   
Roderick Vonhögen: I agree with the idea that the story will parallel the story of ANH. However, if these ideas are true, they give us more questions at the same time:   
  • why would Qui-Gon be hermited away in the Dune Seas, when he's Anakin's father? Is he Anakin's father at all?
  • If Padme arrives on Tatooine with a ship, why do they need Ben Kenobi to take them back to Naboo?

  • Who is this relative of Padme that has to be rescued?
> DEC 11 - REACTION 2   
T. Friese wrote: "I too agree there will be many similarities or parallels if you will. I think we will see this even more in episodes two and three.  I think you will see Anakin's training interrupted and him start to show temptation in episode two.  and in three he will be faced with a test or temptation similar to luke in ROTJ but in three anakin will fail where luke succeeded.     
I also feel that the whole point of the first two episodes will be to paint Anakin in a VERY positive light so we can see why luke found it so neccessary to try to save his father.  I think what we will see is that Anakins fall is tragic in that he turns to the dark side for what he (and the rest of us) feel are good reasons (an attempt to save or rescue someone or maybe trying to stop palpatine?). thus we will come away saddened knowing that any of us might have made the same choice as anakin in similar circumstances. what do others think?"
> DEC 15 - REACTION 3  
Nathaniel Reed wrote: "I recall Rick McCallum saying that the early story ( *1 ) recounts the important relationship Anakin had with his Mother : I remember thinking at the time that this might mean a very tough childhood, harsh and rough. Why not ? Consider a female Uncle Owen ...  Also, no mention at the time of a father ( the father-figure, though, will be Qui-Gonn - see the French pics - and Obi-Wan ).  

Lucas knows Mythology inside out. He also enjoys the sounds of names, as well as patterns and themes. First and foremost, he is an editor with a graphically visual eye. Although we've heard that we won't be hearing that fanfare [ as you know, 4-6 was actually Luke's theme ], the large ship dominating the skies is a powerful image, and I'm sure we'll see it again, even if it's just for *1.  

I think Coruscant, the political centre of the Galaxy, would very nicely open and close the 6 part Saga, bracketing the fatefully important "farthest star" of Tatooine. The various characters of course mirror those we meet 40 years later. Lucas is giving us a moral history lesson, where we see one Angel Fall, and the son redeem him.  

I'm glad someone has reminded us that officially ( ? ) 3PO is rather older than 45 years, though of course he could've been rebuilt and repaired, and there are such nasty things as memory flushes.  

Madison Lloyd's presence does NOT mean that she has to be Anakin's sister. However, with the similarities of the early draft to the french pics, wouldn't it be 'right' for Anakin to be a witness, at an early and impressionable age, to a powerfully horrific event ... like the death of his sister [ Deak Starkiller ] ?"

> DEC 15 - REACTION 4  
Lucas S. Erickson wrote: "I'd have to agree with T. Friese about Anakin's downfall. I think that it will be a tragedy and if it isn't, it should be. In many of the letters trying to explain the role of the Jedi council Anakin was portrayed as a cocky, snot-nosed, gen-Xer who was cool enough to cock off to the elders, or authorities. If anything, Anakin would have to impress the Council for the full effect of the tragedy to carry through.  

Lucas will no doubt give us a tragedy. It's unfortunate that there are so many Star Wars fans out there who favor the evil characters and will be more pleased with Anakin being a cocky little jerk whose fall from grace was the cool thing to do. I think that if there is one prediction I can make with certainty, it is that Anakin will become more popular than Luke ever will because Anakin was the one to fall to the darkside and become the pretty cool evil character. It seems strange to me that Luke (once the most popular character, easily) has now become hated and called Anakin's "wussy son" by many. I think Luke is a very admirable character because he was able to resist the greatest temptation of all. Unlike his father, Luke, in the end, does not display weakness. Because Luke was able to accomplish what his father wasn't, Luke is indeed not a "wussy", but maybe Anakin is.  
Also, I think that though the themes of Episode I and Episode IV may start out the same,  throughout the trilogy it is going to go off on a new direction. Remember, the prequels will most likely end on a down note. With the Jedis wiped out, Anakin turned to the darkside, Obi-Wan and Yoda going into hiding, how could they end happily? The next trilogy will no doubt become much darker that the original, and as a result may end up being a disappointment to many like The Empire Strikes Back was when it was released."

> DEC 15 - REACTION 5  
The "Anonymous One" wrote again (thanks!):   
"Rod:  

I sent in the comment about the storyline of Ep 1 and Ep 4 being "roughly" parallel to one another.  

I need to clarify what I told you.  
  

  • First, Qui Gon is hermitted away on Tatooine with his family, Anakin and Shmi. Shmi is the one who is killed.
  • Ask yourself this: What is a venerable Jedi Knight like Qui Gon doing on a remote world like Tatooine? Well, your guess is as good as mine.  But one thing is for certain, he is no longer an active Jedi because of his age: mid-40's.
  • Padme arrives and needs help.  This is what motivates Qui Gon to return to action (just as Old Ben was motivated by R2's message from Leia to leave retirement). 
  • Second, Padme can't use her ship because the bad guys are looking for it. So Kenobi's craft is used to slip away from the bad guys.
  • Also, there is something that the bad guys think that Padme has that they desperately need to recover from her (this is a parallel with her mother, Leia, in Ep 4 who briefly possesses the Death Star plans before slipping them to R2 and Vader desperately needs to recover these plans for the Empire)."
> DEC 15 - REACTION 6  
   
Brandon Butler ("Gonk") wrote: "On the quote from Lucas repeating his themes, yes, I believe that this is a definate. However, you have to walk a thin line on what should be repeated and what should not. For instance, should there really be an 'old desert hermit'? Likewise, should the Qui-Gon Jinn character necessarily die as di Obi-Wan in ANH? There are already a number of repeated themes, but in movies, you can repeat them too far- and its starts to look TOO much like the piece you're referring to.  

If this is to really be a 'new' movie, the repeated themes are going to be brought in just as the direct references are- very balanced. Take the settings as an analogy: We've all seen Tatooine before, which would probably be a third of the movie. However we've never seen Coruscant and this 'Naboo' planet. These places are visually new to us. Likewise, while there will be an aura of familliarity to the story, it should be technicially quite new. The mere fact the Qui-Gon is an aging Jedi already references Obi-Wan in ANH, his death in part I would only become redundant. The 'Queen' is already on the run from the 'Gungans', however unlike Leia, she escapes her foe. Jar-Jar is already similar to Chewbacca in that he's a lone alien character protagonist in the midst of the company of humans. The fact that he's a Jedi, however, would make him quite different and a more complex character than Chewbacca, who was just a pilot who really doesn't do a whole lot except shoot guns and growl a lot.  

Therefore, events in the story that pattern ANH must be done very carefully- you've got to create a general feeling, not blatant copying of storylines. ANH is already very similar to the vein that is shown on your site: Princess comes to main character, Character meets with old sage, hotshot guy comes in midway through, they leave tatooine with their trust alien sidekick and go to defeat the bad guys. This is enough, when you take the Falcon and upbeat mood of the story into account. What the goal should now be is to make the story as DIFFERENT as possible while keeping these basic motifs, so that it really is a NEW story. The old sage being the protagonists father is one way. Letting the old sage live (as Ben was first meant to in ANH) is another. Having the princess be on Tatooine in person is yet another, as is the inclusion of things such as slaves and the like. "

> DEC 19 - REACTION 7 
  
Anthony Renaud wrote: "This concerns the question of reoccuring themes in the Prequels.  I have to agree with the last poster who stated that the themes that repeat will be general in scope and not as specific as some have come to believe.  I also believe that a lot of the plot for ep. 1 can be distilled from early drafts of Star Wars.  We see Anakin being raised on Tatooine (mirroring Luke).  We see an hermit jedi (mirroring Ben).  My gut feeling is that Qui-Gon Jinn will be the Kane Starkiller of the prequels.  He'll be a father-figure to Anakin (but not necessarily the actual father), starting his teachings in force.  And as Kane Starkiller passed off the training of his son Anakin to the old General Luke Skywalker because Kane was dying, so to will Qui-Gon pass off the training of young Anakin to Obi-wan, perhaps because he is dying.  Dead or not, I do not believe we'll see Qui-Gon beyond the first movie.  The rest of the trilogy is Obi-wan, Padme, and Annakin. 
  
A few questions arise though: Why is Qui-Gon Jinn a hermit and what is Obi-wan doing on Tatooine.  Early rumours (ass seen on Harry's site) stated that Qui-Gon Jinn's view on the force differ from that of other Jedi and that these view have a profound effect on young Anakin.  Some speculated that he becomes the Emperor.  I personally don't believe that.  The jedi and the Sith view the force in very bipolar terms, black and white, light and dark.  Perhaps Qui-Gon Jinn sees the force as more or less varying shades of grey.  Perhaps these views have isolated him from the jedi, maybe even got him ostracized.  As for Obi-wan, perhaps he's just finished his training as a jedi and has come to visit his brother and his new wife who've just settled on Tatooine to become moisture farmers, and just ends up being at the right place at the right time to become involved in the overall plot.  Or, again looking at the early drafts of Star Wars, he is SENT to Tatooine.  In the early drafts, when the planet where Luke Skywalker is General is attacked, the princess is away at university and a young jedi in training, Anakin Starkiller is sent to retrieve her to be with her family during the crisis.  Perhaps we'll see Padme at Tatooine (for what ever reason) when Naboo is attacked, and a young jedi, Obi-wan Kenobi, is sent to Tatooine (by the Jedi council, tying in to a previous discussion) to retrieve her. 
  
One last thing on reoccuring themes (although none of these things being discussed are actually themes, but rather are plot devices. 'Redemption of protagonist' is a theme, not 'old hermit lives in desert').  James Earl Jones has stated that Lucas will have need of him in the third movie, and Lucas has stated that Bail Organa we be among those who fight Darth Vader in the third movie, SO Anakin becomes Darth early in the third movie, which leave the question, when will Anakin and Obi-wan fight.  It would seem that their climatic duel will come at the end of the 2nd movie, which nicely parallels the ending of ESB when Luke and Vader fight.  But that leaves me to wonder, what will be the series climax be?  In the first three movies, Luke vs. Darth in the Emperor's throne movie was obviously the climax to ROTJ as well as the climax to the whole series.  So what will be the big climax to the prequels?"
> DEC 19 - REACTION 8 
  
'Mysteria' wrote: " From a mythological standpoint, having a repeat of character type is necessary to show the patterns that evolve to a specific destiny - of triumph or tragedy. You can bet that critics will immediately say - why is Lucas remaking the Trilogy using different characters against the same types??  I think it's already pretty obvious why it has to be this way. Really Lucas is just laying down the basic foundation for a history that will unfold and nearly repeat itself in Epy. 4 thru 6.  So in a sense, the Trilogy is the "repeat." Diehard fans understand this; but will the critics?  

It's pretty easy to see already that most of the characters are basic composites of Trilogy characters.   The way I think of it is basically the taking of Epy 4 and moving back on the spiritual evolution.  The characters shift a notch backwards in maturity and enlightenment - but the role types will remain the same.  The fundamental role types are an essential motif from Ep. 1 through 6 because they all hinge upon one another on a larger scale - ( hopefully, interwoven a subtle way) showing an evolution towards the process of  final enlightment/judgement. Just like tarot cards, if you've ever taken a look. (match them to the Major Arcana of the Tarot you can easily find: "The Fool", "The Emperor", The High Priestess" etc.) In reality, people would obviously fall between these..a gray category. But for Star Wars, most everything is told in contrasting level of either youth or maturity,  light or dark.  This simplicity is satisfying for a modern age.  
  

  Episode 1 and Episode 4 parallels justifiable by a mythical evolution
Episode 1 
(2 and 3)
child Anakin --->
Anakin Skywalker --->
 
Obi-Wan Kenobi ----->
 
Episode 4 
(5 and 6)
young Luke
Luke Skywalker
   
Han Solo
 
 
an innocent
maturing/idealist
   
mature/realist
 
             
Episode 1 
(2 and 3)
Qui-Gon Jinn --->
Yoda (or some other?)--->
- or -
Darth Maul &
Palpatine --->
Darth Sidious
 
Episode 4 
(5 and 6)
Obi-Wan Kenobi
Yoda
 
Darth Vader
Emperor Palpatine
 
 
Enlighted man (accolyte)
Light Master/teacher
Infinite
Unenlighted man (servant)
Dark Master
Finite
             
constants:
Queen Padme
R2D2/C3PO
 
 
 
 
 
Princess Leia
R2D2/C3PO
 
 
 
 
 
strong, wise, young Lady
nonliving reflecting the living
 
 
 
 
 
An influential key to both men
The story seen through their eyes from 1-6
       
  
Ep 2 and on, some of the characters shift to the right.. Some of them drop off, while others take their place.  In Ep. 6, The Emperor meant for Luke to take his fathers place, quite literally, sacrificing the old Dark Lord (King) for a new one. Instead of being blind to fate, Luke broke the "spell" of a history repeating itself when he consciously choose a different destiny from his father. The Masters of Light and Dark (Yoda and the Emperor) fell away.  Anakin/Vader was redeemed by consciously choosing to save his son - thus saving himself. Vader moved to the Infinite as a Light Master and Luke gains points and advances up a notch to the "Enlightened man" position.  

So, yes, the main characters are going to be repetitive to prove a point on a larger scale. There are pitfalls though. The one thing I would be careful of is duplicating another "Han Solo type"  I would rather mix parts of that persona in with Anakin (i.e. dare-devil pilot) then see a Dash Rendar (a Solo syndrome substitute) added in for comic relief, action.. what have you..  
Having the young Queen caught between two men (ala Luke and a Han type) in a B plot - would definitely be senseless, repetitive conflict that would serve no point. The possibility of having Anakin and Ben vying for Padme may come too close to a contrived, mimicking theme.  However, in true form to the overall premise: In Episode 1, Anakin was meant to be Luke and  in Episode 4 - Luke was meant to be Anakin. That's fine because it's the focal point. Anakin and Luke are cosmically linked - 2 sides of one personality type that end up choosing 2 separate paths.  Now, that is a symphony to SW fans. As for the critics, who knows.."

> DEC 20 - REACTION 9 
  
"The Anonymous One" wrote again: 

"Ep 2 does not and cannot end with the duel between Anakin and Ben because Lucasfilm has stated that Ep 3 ends with the birth of the Skywalker twins. Two years lapse between Ep 2 and 3 and since it only takes nine months (on average) from conception to birth, the duel cannot take place until Ep 3. The duel occurs midway through Ep 3, after Anakin and the Queen have been intimate for the last time and the Skywalker twins are conceived.  The Jedi purge occurs during the nine months of the Skywalker twins' gestation and we watch as our beloved Jedi, who have scattered across the galaxy and are hiding from the Empire, are hunted down by Vader, bounty hunters, etc., which parallels the intense hunt that Vader put on in Empire to find the Jedi called Luke Skywalker."

> DEC 22 - REACTION 10 
  
Anthony Renaud wrote: "In response to the last posting by "the Anonymous One", who stated that the duel between Ben and Anakin could not happen at the end of Episode 2 because Lucasfilm has stated that the twins are born at the end of Ep. 3 and there 2 years between episode 2 and 3. Okay, I do recall that the twins are born at the end of 3, but I don't think you can state with certainty that there are 2 years between 2 and 3.  There's been much speculation about the time frames of each of the movies, I don't recall anything official from the mouths of anybody at Lucasfilm, other than generalities.  Now you've obviously picked up the 2 year thing somewhere, but are you sure that the statement wasn't episode 2 and 3 taken place over a 2 year time period.  As such, Episode 3 can be the during the 9 months of the pregnancy, and the duel can still be at the end of 2. 
    This confrontation is of singular importance in the trilogy, and to simply throw it somewhere in the middle of Ep. 3 seems unideal from a dramatic structure stand point.  Certainly you could agree that the importance of this  battle necessitates its inclusion at a climatic point in the story.  As a climax for ep. 2, it nicely parallels ESB, and allows for the time frame of Ep. 3 to take place during the 9 months of the pregnancy, without time continuity problems.  However, if the prequel trilogy will show Anakin's life as a parallel to Luke's life, then one would infer that the moment of Anakin's decision to join the dark side should occur at the corresponding moment of Luke's decision in the first trilogy, namely at the end of the 3rd movie.    Thus the introduction of Darth Vader would only happen during the denument of the 3rd movie, and his subsequent purge of the jedi would not be shown. >From a fan's perspective, that might suck, but it works very well in dramatical structure kinda way."
> DEC 23 - REACTION 11 
  
"The Anonymous One" wrote: "In response to Anthony Renaud's comments: The two year interval between Ep 2 and 3 is official Star Wars canon.  In Issue # 35 of the Star Wars Insider, there is a foldout of the Star Wars Timeline, it states that Ep 1 occurs 32 years before ANH, Ep 2 occurs 22 years before ANH and Ep 3 occurs 20 years before ANH.  So the duel between Anakin and Ben does not occur until Ep 3. 
 
Remember Ep 2 might end with an epic duel. Ben or Anakin may have the duel with the "leader" of the bad guys. 
 
In the middle episode of a trilogy, Lucas says he puts the protagonists (the good guys) in the worst dilemnas of their lives. So could Anakin possibly be captured by the Mandalorian/Sith and in his absence he is presumed dead and the alleged affair occurs between Kenobi and the Queen? There are dozens of different cliff hanger scenarios we can come up with. One may be that a dramatic revelation is made to one of the good guys (i.e. Luke discovering that Vader is his father)."