OBI-WAN'S DOWNFALL?
  • MAY 01
David Delaney wrote: 
"My fervent hope for the new movies will be that they are geared toward 
an older audience.  Please no more Disneyesque Ewok fluff!  I know the 
lure of those licensing dollars for the pre-teen audience is a powerful 
temptation, but how much more money does George Lucas really need at 
this point? It seems that Mr. Lucas ratcheted down the intensity of the 
movies from ANH to RTJ.  e.g.  I don't think you would have Uncle Owen's 
and Aunt Beru's charred and smoking skeletons in the same movie with 
Ewoks.  In addition, the SE revision of Han's shootout with Guido was 
also "kinder and gentler."  Han is no chivalrous idiot who would give up 
the opportunity to waste Guido.  Lucas reworking the shot so that Han 
lets Guido fire at him and miss at point-blank range is unrealistic and 
stupid.   

Given that background, and my uncertainty about which way the prequels 
will go, an area that the prequels should really develop is how Obi Wan 
became so spiritually broken that Uncle Owen would say "I don't think he 
exists anymore," and that he would be sitting on the sidelines in his 
Tatooine hut while the Republic goes to hell.  Maybe he was just biding 
his time for the right convergence of events  such as Luke showing up 
with the droids.  But it seems that if he weren't diddling around in 
seclusion, maybe he could have done more to stop the tremendous loss of 
life on Alderaan, or at least be aware that the budding Empire was 
capable of such an act.   

A final thought, maybe Vader had really done such a fine job of 
butt-kicking to the Jedi that Obi Wan was forced into seclusion to 
protect himself.  At the beginning of ANH it would appear that the only 
2 jedi in the galaxy are Obi Wan and Yoda.  Both of whom are completely 
out of the game in backwater worlds.  Did Vader become so powerful that 
this was the only way to keep the good Jedi flame lit?  If so, this does 
not sound like a Disneyfied/made-for-6-year-olds series of movies.  At 
least I hope." 

  • MAY 07
This was mostly a reaction to James McFadden's May 1st comment in the Birth of Luke and Leia discussion, but it is posted here because the emphasis is on Ben Kenobi.
 
Joel Frangquist wrote: 

"I really like James McFadden's description of how he imagines the end of
Episode 3.  I think it would be great to see Ben dissapear off into the
desert.  Imagine what happens he arrives on Tatooine and Luke is stashed
with Owen and Beru.  "Where are you going now?" Beru asks, and Obi-Wan
realizes he hasn't given the matter any thought.  So he stares sadly out
at the twin suns (we've got to see those suns again) and says,
mournfully "I think I'll just wander off and find a place where no one
can find me."  Then he gestures to the baby Luke and says "Maybe I'll be
back in twenty years."  Then imagine Kenobi putting on his hood and
walking off, Ten Commandments style, towards a distant, empty horizon. 
All of this might rekindle the meaning in Owen's line at the beginning
of ANH: "I'm not even sure he exists anymore."  Then the next time we
see Kenobi is in the same hood in ANH, only when he takes the hood
off...bingo, it's twenty years later.  What better way to establish the
time differential?  And after seeing Ben so demoralized at the end of
Episode 3, seeing him in ANH will really bring out the meaning of the
words "A New Hope". 

By the way, the ROTJ novel notwithstanding, I think it would make the
most sense if either Owen or Beru were related to Anakin (not Ben), so
that Obi-Wan ends up taking Luke "back home."  The other possible
explanation is that Kenobi and Owen are also originally from Tatooine. 
Also, Ben might sense that Anakin/Vader would avoid the place of his
childhood memories, so Luke would be safe on Tatooine.  The screen play
for ROTJ had Ben sharing a lot more of this back story with Luke on
Dagobah, but I think that Lucas cut this stuff out because he wanted to
keep his options open, and therefore we should expect anything in the
prequels."

Greg Spenser wrote: 
"This trilogy will not only be the down fall of Vader, but the downfall of
Obi-Wan.  I think for most of this story Ben will be some cocky, reckless,
know-it-all kid who is very powerful with the force.  ("You are
reckless!...So was I if you remember." ) Maybe his attitude toward the
force, and what he did with it was a clumsy.  He could be overconfident,
and had bad judgement with his decisions. 
        With his cocky attitude he decides to train Anakin Skywalker...and fails
miserably.  Maybe this failure, seperates him from his family (Owen), and
he then is deeply sorry and he hangs around to make sure that he helps Luke
repair the damage he's done. 
        I think this makes sense, because in Ep. 4-6, Obi-Wan is a calm, patient
man who would rather not fight forcefully.  His character would have then
come full circle, from a reckless Jedi, to the wise Jedi Master, who
sacrifices himself for the sake of the galaxy."