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| THE FORCE |
My belief (hope) is that the prequels will develop the background of the films in terms of the nature of the force and the Jedi "religion," especially the importance of the Skywalker family. I think the ideas about the destiny of Luke as "the son of Skywalker" in a prophecy-like context are right on. I can't believe that Anakin and his son (and daughter) just happen to be unusually strong in the force, but rather that the family has some historical significance, perhaps as a kind of title. The '75 draft of StarWars ANH includes elements of this, except that the name is Starkiller. Its likely that Lucas dropped this from the later drafts because he feared it wouldn't "sell" to a mass audience, but now he has the freedom to explore these themes in more depth. Also, what is the nature of the darkside and where does the Emperor get his immense power? Just some thoughts, I hope I'm not repeating stuff already covered." |
To answer JediChief's questions (at least in my opinion): Skywalker as a title? No, I believe Skywalker is a family name. There is little significance (except for conjuring images of men running through clouds) to the name. It is just a family name. Like baldness, high blood pressure, or blue eyes, I believe great talent in the Force runs in families. That's all it is. I think when the Emporer refered to Luke as "the son of Skywalker" he was just foreshadowing (and covering up the fact because we didn't know yet) that Darth is Luke's father. The nature of the Dark Side? The dark side is just the force used in anger, fear, or agression. It has a consuming, perhaps addictive power over Jedi who stray to it's side. That and you should beware it. The Emperor's immense power? I believe that the Emperor just is a Dark Jedi Master, who had great talent in the Force. I think probably all Dark Jedi Master's could do those things (Joruus C'baoth anyone?) I hope I have shed at least a little light on the dark, unknown subject." |
So, why can't Vader sense that Leia is his daughter? After the two meetings they had in A New Hope And Empire, he obviously searched her mind, especially trying to find the location of The Rebel Base. The Force obviously can not enable a person to "Smell" their own blood. Vader did not sense it, because Leia did not know. The Force can only read what information a person knows. It obviously can not read information that a person doesn't know. And it's ability to forsee the future is limited. That's why Vader could not "forsee" Luke revealing the fact that Leia was his sister. Nor did it reveal to Vader, (Pre-Empire) that he had a son and daughter. He was able to sense in The Trench that "this one is strong with the force", but that was all. Why couldn't he sense that "Luke was a Skywalker, The Son of Anakin Skywalker...(Since Luke obviously knew that information...Anakin's name was never mentioned in ANH, but it's generally assumed that a son knows a father's name)..Obviously, the force Doesn't make one Ominscient...There are limits.. But I don't think Padme could hide that information from Vader, unless she had the ability to block a "mind Probe", which would mean that she has Force Abilities. In addition to those rumors, The idea that Luke (And Leia) are so strong in the force, could be explained by BOTH Parents being Force Users...Padme, is obviously not a Jedi Knight...But I don't think She has force Abilities either..(Like Leia). Why..do I think that...Well, in The Current Trilogy we have three Character types...The Jedi (Luke), The Princess/Force Sensitive (Leia), The Rouge (Han). Although, we won't be seeing an exact replication of character types in The Prequels, I don't think Lucas would make ALL three of the major Characters, force-users. That kind of limits the action. A Non-Force User would react different to a given to a given situation. Anakin and Obi Wan are already Both Jedi Knights...So another Force User, would be a little too much, I think...That would be like having a classic Fairy Tale with Three Wizards, No Knights, No Princess, No Thiefs.... More than Likely...Padme will disappear, and Anakin will believe she is dead. I don't see any confronation between them During or After her pregnancy. Obi- Wan WILL be able to hide his knowledge of her whereabouts as well as the fact that she had Anakin's Son (He doesn't know about Leia). And that will probably be their final meeting until ANH..Anakin believes Padme is Dead (Most likely), Has no idea that he has a son (or daughteer), and believes Obi-Wan is not a threat to him and "The Emperor's New Order" (Or just has no idea where Obi-Wan went to folllowing their last encounter). He puts it all behind him and Begins to start his life over as Darth Vader, The Emperor's Right-Hand Man....." |
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| Sinead
wrote: "My friend SNS22, your argument
makes perfect sense, but it ignores the most important part of SW.
This is *drama*. What screenwriter, producer or director would give
up the opportunity to show us a final, tragic parting of the fallen Anakin
and his queen? Will Vader come back for his wife, determined that
she belongs with him? Or is he indifferent to her, showing us how
hardened and isolated his ambitions have made him? Or does he seek
revenge for the much rumored affair between Padme and Obi-Wan? Will
we pity her or Anakin?
The audience knows of the twins, of Obi-Wan, of ep.4-6. Very likely, this will be the reason that GL is able to show such a dark ending to his prequels." |
I've always been interested with Obi-wan's and Yoda's role in the 4-6. It's like they KNEW Luke's destiny, and resigned themselves to the fact that they would have to work through him to defeat Palpitine. I always got the impression that Obi-wan was waiting for Luke on Tatooine. Did Yoda/Ben see many years into the future with the force? It was clear than Yoda had been keeping tabs on him. "Long have I watched this one..." It also seemed obvious that they both had special plans for Luke from the very first time Luke met Obi-wan. Obi-wan seemed to sense Luke's final victory over the tyranny of Vader "You can't win Darth. If you strike me down I shall grow more powerful than you can possible imagine." If this theory is true, than both Ben and Yoda made great sacrifices to ensure victory over the emperor/evil. This would be consistent with the motif of sacrifice that is thought to be prevalent in episode 3." |
"Adam Espie-Ziemann makes a good point about Ben and Yoda knowing, or perhaps 'directing' Luke's destiny to fight the emperor. After all, the emperor touted Luke in ROTJ that 'everything is working according to his plan' like he has directed all that has happened throughout the "Star Wars" galaxy up to the point of the surmised 'Rebel Defeat'. So maybe the Force gives these guys special abilities to forge destinies.... Just a thought!" |
"Now that Lucas' comments on "Jedi performing fully trained feats" have been published widely, wouldn't it be great to speculate as to what these 'magic tricks' might be ? We've seen one 'mind trick', implanting directives into weak-minded fools ; there will be others ! We've seen gagging, 'throwing' distracting noises, and moving objects by telekinesis. Far-distance telepathy has also been undertaken. There has also been vague forecasting, as well as a 'boost' to one's own physical abilities, like running and jumping ( and unaided sharp-shooting ). What *could* Lucas have in mind ??" |
"My opinion is that the reason that the Emperor succeeded was that the Jedi (especially Obi-Wan and Yoda) were faced with something unprecedented in the history of the Republic. My hypothesis is that no being who turned to the Dark Side had ever achieved the level of power over it that Darth Vader wielded (let alone the Emporer). To paraphrase Yoda, the Dark Side is not more powerful, but it is easier and more seductive. This
raises some interesting questions. Is Anakin the only Jedi to have
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| Kaxon
wrote:
"I want to answer Gillespee on why people assume that Obi-Wan didn't know about Leia. You say that Ben gives Luke information about his sister in ESB. Actually, that is not true. Remember that in ESB, as Luke is leaving Degobah for Cloud City, Obi-Wan says "That boy is our last hope." Yoda says "No, there is another..." From that statement we can infer that Obi-Wan in fact did not know about Leia until Yoda told him. Then, when Obi-Wan tells Luke about Leia in ROTJ, we can assume he learned about it from Yoda." |
"reply to James Phillips: My
hunch is that there have been Jedi that have turned to the darkside during
Perhaps
Obi-Wan knew this and rushes to confront Anakin because he knows that
The
immense political and military power Anakin comes to wield is due more
to
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