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"After reading many of the discussion topics here and hearing vast amounts of speculation, I would like to venture a topic on the birth of Luke and Leia, as it will become an integral part of Episode 3. There
has been a lot of speculation as to when Padme dies and whether
Obi-Wan
tells Luke in RotJ that "the Emperor knew as I did, that if
He
then goes on to say that "to protect you both from the Emperor, you
This
brings up many interesting points that may help solve some
If
it is truly the Emperor that is worried that Padme would bear
Originally
I felt that the Emperor knew via the force that Vader would
But,
what if Palpatine simply fears the offspring of Padme as they
Palpatine
wanted to abolish the Old Republic and by controlling Padme
So,
when Padme becomes pregnant, I feel that either the Emperor does
In
this respect, she must be hidden from Palpatine as her belly would
When
the twins are eventually born, they are separated and Ben takes
As
for Leia, I feel that Bail Organa adopts Leia to his own family as
Following
this thread, one thing that might be unresolved is how Padme
If
the Emperor\'s bid to take over the Old Republic involves killing
So
in summation, I believe that Padme must be hidden/taken from both
I would
LOVE to hear any more comments along these lines... I feel
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"A major flaw in Daniel Stahl's theory lies in the idea of a monarchy for the Old Republic. By definition, a republic isn't a monarchy. It is a form of government ub which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote aand is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law, and often having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president. There are no 'Heirs to the Old Republic'. There was no Imperial Throne until Palpatine delcared himself Emperor. If you want an historical comparison, forget England, and grab a history book and read up on the transformation of the Roman republic into the Roman Empire. Julius Caesar formed a triumvirate with two other guys, one died and Caesar defeated the other in battle, and was voted (by the Senate) dictator, which lasted about 3 years before they murdered him. That was followed by a second Triumvirate which after battles and political manoevering ended up with Octavius holding power, and he declared himself Emperor Augustus, creating the Empire of Rome. Palpatine will most likely be a combination of these two men, Caesar and Octavius (Caesar's grand-nephew by the way). Will Palpatine be a great military leader? Unknown, but he will definitely require the military support of some kind. But this is off topic. So how are Luke and Leia a threat to him? At best, Padme and her children may be seen as symbols of the Old Republic and for that reason are dangerous to the new Empire, as symbols tend to be. But most likely is the obvious reason. Palpatine destroyed the Jedi because they were a threat to him. Vader's children have the potential to become great Jedi themselves, and consequently become that same threat to Palpatine. There may have been some sort of prophetic vision involved, but not necessarily. Simply 'Jedi bad, must destroy'. " |
| Jom
wrote:
"To Dan: I believe
you are slightly off on your discription of the structure of
The
eventual takeover will mirror Hitler's rise in Germany when he got
As
far as Padme's death, some people think her storyline should be
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| Jim
wrote:
"We all know the final result of episode 3: The twins get separated, Obi wan goes into hiding, and Anakin Skywalker has become Darth Vader. As the prequels are considered a "darker" trilogy, one would have to speculate how we could get some kind of happy ending for Episode 3. I would like to see a 2 way escape towards the end of this episode, where Vader is hot on the trail of Obi Wan and Padme. The two will split up to make their escape more probable, with Obi wan taking Luke and Padme taking Leia. Obi wan will make a thrilling escape from..(?) and take Luke to his new "parents" on Tatooine. Meanwhile, things take a turn for the worse for Padme as it becomes clear that she will not be able to escape from Vader. She runs into two trusted droids (I wonder who) and they both escape to Alderaan with Leia while Padme meets her ultimate demise. Ending the third episode with the droids would bring in a perfect tie in to episode four: "There will be no escape for the Princess this time..." |
| Jamie
Wire wrote:
"To Daniel, I like your ideas. Here's mine for the very end: I think
that the final scenes of Episode III will be the birth of
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"I am a Pre-Law student. As such I see a very glareing contridiction in everyones train of logic in the interpritation of Luke Leia and their mother Padme. If Naboo is a dyeing race then the Queen, since being part of that race, also must be infected with the genetic problem that is killing her people. If this statement is true, which is likely by many of the comment GL has made, then she too must have transmited the genetic problem to Luke and Leia. Now, since The Force. Net in their infinite capability to find the truth, has discovered that Palpitine is in fact the Senator form Naboo, then he too must be infected with the genetic problem. Could this acount for the Emperor's decaying facode in ROTJ? It would exsplane his decaying look a lot better than the force power theory that many have speculated over the years. It would also account for the reason that the early discriptions cited the Emperor, as an out of touch individual. If you take these the genetic problem into account for both Luke and Leia then you have the missing link, or at least "treatment," for a Sequel Trilogy that could very well bring the "Anikan" story full circle. (I know GL said that his story is only 6 part's and "yes" that makes sence because the story is about Anikan. However, this could account for why GL has the future years after RoTJ blocked off to all writers.) It is very, obvious however that something drastick happens to Naboo. This genetic problem could be GL's way of fixing the problem with the inconsistancy's of Naboo never being mentioned in the Original Trilogy or the SE. As for Luke and Leia, and Leia's statement their is no reason to belive that episode III takes only a couple day's or weeks. It could take a period of 1year shown in incriment to tell the whole episode III story, which would be plunty of time for Leia to have feeling about her mother. Remeber that their non human! There form Naboo! Who know's mabey they age fast?" |
| SNS22
wrote:
"What kind of Monster do you think George Lucas is? Would he have a character like Padme, that is the mother of Luke & Leia and our heroine for three movies, gunned down in cold blood by Stormtropers? I think NOT!!! And
how could Leia remember her if she dies? No, I think There's going to be
1)The
afformentioned Leia's recollectance of her mother
Even
though the new triology will be darker, I don't think it's going to have
A fitting
ending would be as stated by many to have Obi Wan leaving Luke in
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"This is W12plai reporting in with my 2 cents on the prequels. How about this? What if Vader knows of the children, follows them and then in some act of remorse foresight or what not decides to let Luke (he thinks he only has one child) get away. This would serve his purposes in ESB. It would be a future ally to overthrow the emporer. He does not seem that surprised in ESB that he has a son and as a matter of fact seems prepared for the fact. He has thought of what he is going to do when he finds his son. Obviously the Emporer thinks that the children or non-existant at the end of the prequels or else he would have spent a great deal more time hunting them down in the first trilogy. Vader I think decides to the one he knows is born, Luke get away. After all, it is his son. He then tells the Emporer that they are dead." |
| Jom
wrote:
"I agree with SNS22. I am sure Padme's death won't be violent. Note Leia's recollections of her to Luke in ROJ. She said her mom was "She died when I was very young" and "She was beautiful but sad, somehow". There is NO indication of a violent death at all. Leia would have mentioned that, IMO. I also think Padme doesn't die during the prequels. Something like SNS22 mentioned seems plausable." |
"Ok, we have all heard that the people from Naboo are from a dying race due to some defect in their genetic makeup, and that to compensate for this they use cloning technology so that their race can survive (correct me if I'm wrong). This would indeed provide a plausable explanation for the decaying appearance of the emperor in ROTJ, (as suggested by DarthMaul1) but at the same time would contradict the theory that Padme's death at such a young age was a direct result of this defect; after all Palpatine, (who we now believe to be senator for the planet Naboo), is supposedly 100 years plus in ROTJ (I think)! Surely he should have died from this defect long before. Unless it was the power of the dark side keeping Palpatine alive, or he is not actually a member of the Naboo race, but merely represents them in the Senate. But how would the use of cloning technology allow the race to survive?If they clone themselves, then surely the whole population would be no older than Padme, when she died so young; and Palpatine, (if he is a member of the Naboo race), at the age he is in episode 1 should have already died from the defects in his genetic makeup. Also, if Padme dies as young as we all believe she does, then why would Luke and Leia not inheret the same genetic defect and suffer a similar untimely death? Infact if they had inhereted this defect then it is likely they would die at an even earlier age than Padme since they did not have access to the cloning facility! I'm just not convinced the reason for Padme's death is due to a genetic defect, there are too many questions surrounding it. However, I am open to suggestions to put my mind to rest on this theory, or to suggestions as to how Padme may die so young, (no violent executions or suicides though, don't forget Star Wars is supposed to be enjoyed by the whole family, young and old)." |
"A caveat for starters: I have not closely followed all of the Prequel scoop (because I don't want to spoil it!), so this may contradict some of the rumors swirling out there. But,
I think the perfect ending to Episode 3 would be Darth Vader rising
Lucas
doesn't have to show Leia remembering her mother or even the
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| Ian
Letendre wrote:
"Just dropping my thoughts here. Remember in ANH when Luke first meets Ben. Ben turns over to Luke a lightsaber and tells luke that this is a gift from his father. He says that his father wanted him to have it when he was old enough. If you take that scene for what it is worth, then this means Vader knew of Luke's existence well before ESB. Another
thing to ponder is the Degobah scene in ESB where Yoda and Ben
So,
perhaps in the shuffle of it all, Padme chooses to tell OB1 about
I believe
that Padme will indeed go to Bail Organa while Ben will go to
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"I don't really think that Anakin knew of Luke. Obi Wan surely just gets hold of the lightsabre after leaving Anakin for dead, after all, it was Anakin's sabre, not Vaders. If Ben resolves himself to the fact that Anakin is gone forever, as seems likely, then he lied to Luke once again. Would Ben really have said, Obi Wan:"That reminds me., I have something for you that your father wanted you to have when you were old enough" Luke: "what is it?" Obi wan: "your fathers lightsabre.I took it from him once he went mad and started calling himself Darth Vader. He also began wearing black all the time, and then I injured him so badly, he couldn't breathe without a mask and in revenge killed all my Jedi chums, except the leader Yoda, who you will go to learn the Force from.. That is, once I give into my destiny and am killed by your homicidal father". COME
ON! Obi wan just bent the truth again. It seems that Obi wan is
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| Jom
wrote:
"To Ian: Two things here: 1)
It is nesessarily true Ben didn't know about Leia. The "that boy
is
2)
I doubt very much Vader will kill Padme. When Leia spoke of her in
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"A few comments on what people have said about Luke and Leia's birth. First, I think people are taking Yoda's "there is another" line much too literally. I think that was for the benefit of the audience, not Ben. I really never pictured Ben after that scene, going "Hunh?" Maybe Ben and Yoda both had their hearts set on Luke being the savior of the galaxy. Maybe he was stronger in the Force or maybe Ben was just being sexist. Either way, I think he knew about Leia. Also, I don't think George Lucas will be writing the prequels based on every little line or hint of something in the trilogy. As
for the ending of Episode 3? I picture an ending where Luke is given
Or something like that." |
| Nathaniel
Reed wrote:
"It's highly likely that Ben is directly involved in spiriting away the twins, but really the *film* dialogue doesn't suggest this, nor do the draft references in the 'Anno. Screenplays'. This started some speculation : Ben's
final attempt to turn Anakin back might have been directed by his
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"The birth of Luke and Leia will be a very important part of of Episode 3. Luke is probably chosen as the hope of the galaxy, because he is stronger in the force than Leia. We can imagine Yoda there getting a sense of which one is stronger.then we may see Luke being born off to Dagobah then Tatooine. Both were to be hidden from the emperor after they were born. Luke was watched and observed by Yoda and Obi Wan , while Leia was basically ignored. She was force sensitive but not as as strong as her brother. She is more of a back up if Luke ever went dark." |
"First let me start with saying that I agree with Nataniel and Theresa. Their views in that Leia was not thought of as the true hope being due to a weaker force sensitivity. Otherwise how would Vader have skipped over her in ANH at thevery beginning. He had her captured and did not discuss or mention a force sensitivity by her. Also as Bail Organa's Assistant and hoped for replacement as the Senator of Alderaan, she would have come into contact with Palpatine quite a bit. With his strength in the dark side of the force(?maybe should be just the force), he should have been able to tell if she had any sensitivity as well. In
terms of the dying race idea being due to a disease, I do not think
Padme's
death could have been from heartbreak at Anakins turning to the
TO
counter that though would be, if Leia was to young to remember more
But
these are just my thoughts on the matter. Any gripes/couter arguments
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"I think the most obvious reason for Vader (and the Emperor) missing Leia's potential is being overlooked. It seems reasonable to me that a Jedi or Dark Jedi can only sense another force sensitive individual when they are in fact using the force. Vader sensed Luke's ability as he was preparing to destroy the Death Star (with the help of the force). Ben and later Luke were trained Jedi knights, which is why they could be sensed, but Leia was totally untrained, competely out of touch with her potential ability with the force. In the same way, Vader sensed only Ben on the Death Star, not Luke, because Luke was at that time practically untrained. This seems to be the simplest answer that fits all the facts. This also can explain Ben's scene with Yoda in ESB. If we assume Ben knows about Leia, it still makes sense that he would say Luke was the last hope because Leia remained totally untrained. Sense he (Ben) is dead and Yoda is aging, Ben sees the training of Leia--if Luke fails--as an impossability (or at least a long shot). Yoda has a different opinion, saying that he had hope in "the other". In that context, I think everything makes sense, but I'm open to debate the matter." |
| Johno
wrote:
"Just a few thoughts on the twins birth. I think Anakin does know that Padme is pregnant, though he may not know she will have twins. Anakin realises that he is falling deeper into the Dark Side, but, because he is such an angry and disillusioned lad, he can't do anything about his slide. He gives Ben a lightsabre, telling him to give it to his son when he is old enough. Anakin has failed as a Jedi, and this is his last act of good before he fully becomes the Emperor's pawn. Though this will conflict with the Ben/Anakin battle at the lava pit, as this is the last time the two see each other in the films, at least while Anakin is Anakin and not Vader. Why is Anakin such an angry and jaded youth? Is it because someone he loves dies early on? Could it be Shmi? Or does Anakin have a brother or sister, like in the earlier version of the Star Wars story? The birth of twins is a genetic thing, so someone in Luke and Leia's family must have a twin. Is it Anakin, or does Padme have a twin somewhere? Or maybe Shmi has a twin, possibly Qui Gon Jinn. GL will be looking for revelations to top Luke and Leia being Vader's children. I'd say that they will go with Anakin's twin brother dying early on. Why haven't you heard anything on it? Well, it would have to be a closer guarded secret. No one knew that Vader was Luke's father until the film came out." |
| Greg
Spenser wrote:
"Perhaps when Ben says "That boy was our last hope." and then Yoda says "No there is another." Maybe that means that with Leia hangin' around Luke for a while she has grown just a little stronger in the force. Not a lot, but just enough to spark a little hope that if Luke were to fail, Leia could carry the torch. Leia probably had no force sensitivity in ANH, she obviously has some in ESB because she tells Lando to turn the ship around. Maybe in ROTJ she uses the force to survive the speederbike chase. As she grows stronger in the force, maybe Yoda feels that Luke isn't the last hope, and Ben, being dead and all, couldn't feel what Yoda felt. Just a thought.Perhaps when Ben says "That boy was our last hope." and then Yoda says "No there is another." Maybe that means that with Leia hangin' around Luke for a while she has grown just a little stronger in the force. Not a lot, but just enough to spark a little hope that if Luke were to fail, Leia could carry the torch. Leia probably had no force sensitivity in ANH, she obviously has some in ESB because she tells Lando to turn the ship around. Maybe in ROTJ she uses the force to survive the speederbike chase. As she grows stronger in the force, maybe Yoda feels that Luke isn't the last hope, and Ben, being dead and all, couldn't feel what Yoda felt. Just a thought." |
| Dextarin
wrote:
"I have read a good portion of the ideas posted here and agree with most of them. However, I think it is a good possibility that Padme will die in a martyr-esq fashion. I don't think Padme dying of disease would be an adequate way of removing a main character. SNS22 said in march that GL would not succomb to having a storm strooper shoot her in cold blood. I personally think he would. We all have seen the scenes the original trilogy (obi wan struck down by vader, dr. what-his-name loosing an arm in the cantina, C-3po getting blasted to bits, Luke's hand getting chopped off). Those are only a few of the examples, and let's not forget the many times vader uses the force to choke someone. What I would like to see in Episode three is for the twins to be born early in the film. My reasoning for this is that a reoccuring theme in this huge epic is family, relationships or lack there of between father and son/mother and daughter). We need the movie to show a great deal of the relationship blossoming between Padme and her children (at least leia, since luke is supposed to have no memory of her) (I personally met a lot of people from my birth to one year of age, and remember none of them). I think the love triangle between Obi-wan, Padme, and Annikan does not exist, but I think it would be a cool idea for GL to throw an Shakespeare/Othello-like story line where Palpatine poisons Annikan into thinking Padme loves Obi-wan. This would build into the ultimate emotional battle between Obi-wan and Annikan, where the former would constantly deny anything happening between him and Padme. Annikan "dies" and reemerges as Vader, he will be full of anger toward Obi-wan still. In tradition Shakespeare fashion, he will return to Padme as Vader. She won't recognize him, ask who he is. He will say some phrase which she recognizes as a trademark of Annikan. Then, when it finally dawns on her who this mechanical monster is before her, Vader will strike her down (a martyr to her people, and as a testament to her constant love for Annikan). What follows has already been discussed involving the hiding of the children. (I liked the idea of Obi-wan walking into the sunset on tatooine). Of course, there is no knowing whether this is going to happen until the movies come out. But, look at the evidence. According to theforce.net reports from statements by some of the actors in the prequels, some have compared GL to Shakespeare. With many of the plotlines from Star Wars taken also directly from classic mythology, I think it is very plausible that Episode III will turn out to be a Sci-fi version of Shakespeare's classic Othello. That's just my two cents worth." |
| Theresa
Khuri wrote:
"First I would like to say to Dan Peruguini, Leia said that her mother died a sad person......she did't imply that her mother died a violent death. She just died a sad person. And also You don't think she would commit suicide if she had a nice daughter like Leia. Who knows maybe Padme died of sadness, a mix of Anikan going to the dark side and her children being taken away. I think this is a good theory because it goes along with what Leia said.Padme died a sad person or..... died of sadness. Any comments?" |
| Sinead
R wrote:
"When Leia says that her mother "died when she [Leia] was very young" I can't help but wonder whether this is true or just the easiest explanation given to a very young girl for the disappearance of her mother (from a certain point of view, of course!). Perhaps Mama Skywalker leaves Leia to be adopted on Alderaan after Vader or the Emperor begin to close in on her hiding place. She doesn't want to be captured, of course, but most of all, she doesn't want to be captured with her daughter. That would be certain death for Leia and could potentially lead to the discovery of Luke. So, in true self sacrifice, Mrs. S "dies" and gives up her other twin to the Organas before disappearing into the galaxy. Personally, I'd love it if the fate of Padme is left open at the end of episode 3. She could be a very important part of the much rumored episodes 7-9." |
"If you read George Luca's note in the beginning of the novel Return of the Jedi: Special Edition he speaks of the obsticles he faced with Han being put into carbonite, Luke joining or killing Vader, and who was "another" as spoken by Yoda in ESB. I think George added the quote just for suspence, not thinking of the aftermath. He needed a solution, and with all of the obsticles he thought he would have an Episode 7 that's why Mark Hamill is stilled signed on for another Star Wars movie. Face it, it's just another George Lucas goodie, nothing more". |
| Gwar
wrote:
"I like what Matt Turner had to say about why Leia wasn't detected. I think that Luke and Leia are born about 1/2 way through the 3rd movie. This way Leia could be taken to Alderann and Luke could stop by Dagobah before being given to the Lars family. I think that even though Padme was pregnant, when Anikin becomes Darth Vader, they did not know she was pregnant yet. The very simple reason that Vader knows that Luke is his son..Luke has his own last name. Maybe Skywalker is a rare name in SW. In the comics, Vader searched to find out blew up the Death Star and he got Luke's name. The last name and the fact that he could use the Force was probably just putting 1+1 together. Maybe there are records of Luke living with Owen. Vader checks up (after he knows the name) and knows Owen and realizes that Luke is his son. The reason that Vader never considered Leia as his daughter, simple, there are no records probably of her name being Skywalker, just Organa." |
| Carlos
wrote:
"firstly i really dont agree with leia being les adept with the force the reason obi wan says "that boy is our last hope" is because liea is untrained and there is not much time left to train her ,look at it this way yoda (and ben ) only trained luke in what was really neccesssary to restore order to the galaxy leaving out many of the jedi abilities (look at yodas comment on his death bed ) how much time is there left for them to train leia owing to the fact that ben is dead and yoda is dying ...there leaving it a little bit on the late side. Also i agree with how vader senses lukes ability in the force ,only by using it, therefore so that yoda and ben dont put all thier eggs in one basket leia is best left untrained not because she is weaker and put her in a situation where politically she can make a difference .. one twin to overthrow the emperor another to pick up the pieces maybe this is what gl said about making the exsisting trilogy seem different and could give a link to a sequel trilogy. I've also read a rumour somewhere (i cant remember where , that GL is now planning to make the 3rd film expand in time to see the twins being born and growing up a little, probebly a short scene of luke at the lars homestead and leia at alderann . Also does anyone think R2-D2 and C-3PO will leave with pademe and thats how they come to be in leias service? and maybe just before anikan goes to face whatever will change him to the darkside he gives ben his lightsabre knowing luke is going be born and tells him to pass it on in case he fails, unlikely but possible, or perhaps anikan fails as a jedi and gives ben his lightsaber because it symbolises his failure and ben decides to pass it on because maybe lightsabers run in the family like an heirloom and just lied to luke because in a metaphorical sense anikan as ben said died when he became vader". |
| Jamie
Wire wrote:
"I think that when Luke asked Leia about her mother, he wasn't asking her how she died. She said she only had feelings: she was beautiful but sad. that doesn't in any way mean that she was only sad at her death. leia just remembers her as being sad. if leia was removed from her mothers side shorly after birth, then this is what she remembered. George Lucas said he had to decide whether Leia remembered Padme or not. this to me says that it would be unusual for a child her age to do so, ie it would be very shortly after birth, but not as short as Luke. I really think that Padmes death will be shown. For her to disappear would be weak. there is also the rumour of George moving the timeline for episode three, with the twins being slightly older in episode 3 than was originally planned. I like the repeatence of twins in SW sagas. Luke and Leia, Jacen and Jaina. I think therefore that Anakin will have a twin - Beru. It would follow. Maybe they are even separated for a time. " |
| Dark
Lord Karno Dal wrote:
"I have a bit of a different take on things relating to the twins' birth. When reference is made to a "dying race," I have to wonder why that is. A sensable conclusion for an entire race disappearing that no one seems to have thought of is an inability or lessened ability to reproduce. That, to me, perfectly explains why cloning would be used as a means to strengthen the society. This also makes it easier to understand why Anakin might not have known about Padme's pregnancy. If it was assumed that she was (nearly) incapable of having children, then he would have had no reason at all to expect offspring. It would have been far easier to keep both Luke and Leia hidden under such a circumstance, and would have made Padme much less of a threat, explaining why she was allowed to live on under the stewardship of Biail Organa. I think this is a logical solution to the situation, considering the information available, and would love to hear what others think on the subject" The first part of this contribution is also posted in the "what about cloning" section. Please go to that section if you want to react to Karno's way of explaining the need for cloning. |
"I believe that Ben knew about Leia. I think those who believe he did not are reading too much into the situation. Why couldn't Vader, the Emperor tell sooner? She had not yet started using the force. They did note her mental strength, however, and remeber in the ROTJ novelization that Leia's "inner strength" is referred to in the scene in which she kills Jabba. As
for Yoda reminding Ben that "there is another," I suspect that Ben had
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"To Dan Stahl Part
of your views would be correct on Her Royal Majesty, Queen
If
he is a member of the dying Naboo, he wants Padme dead to give him
Also
if the rumours of Palaptine being Darth Sidious (I read this
As
for Padme being slaughtered, I don't think so! At the end of an
I also
believe she's still alive, even during Ep.'s #4,5,6. Why?
Maybe
keeping her alive and having her "die" while Leia is young will
But
then again, my reasoning and opinions have been a little
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| TK-421
wrote:
"Just wanted to add to the debate over when Luke and Leia are born in the prequels. I found this sentence on the "official" page and found it very interesting: "Leia grew up in a highly-charged political atmosphere and watched as Senator Palpatine took increasing control of the galactic government, eventually declaring himself Emperor." It was under the Character Bio for Princess Leia. Now, I assume that GL is planning to show how Senator Palpatine becomes Emperor Palpatine, and apparently, Leia is a witness to this growing up. If the third movie ends w/ the birth of Luke and Leia, she can't really 'watch SENATOR Palpatine' at all, unless of course, none of us get to see EMPEROR Palpatine until Empire. Which would suck." |
| E.
Marshall wrote:
"I think Matt Turner's comments over why Leia wasn't detected was the best suggestion given on the treatment of the latter character. Leia was largely unused in ROTJ, because I don't think George Lucas decided to make her Luke's sister until late in the making of TESB. If he'd had more time to think about it, he would have seen that the proper ending of ROTJ would have been to include Leia in the final confronatation with Vader and Palpatine. Keep in mind that even if Leia is untrained, Yoda's apparent faith in her(as he stated in TESB) had to mean something! She had to have some kind of importance. And since the Emperor knew full well that Luke was alive, I assumed that the real importance of Leia would surface here. Also, notice that Leia did use the force at the end of not only ROTJ, but in TESB. Remember how Obi-Wan and Yoda kept emphasizing that they couldn't help Luke when he fights Vader, and that he still wasn't ready? Well, he didn't learn nuthin' after TESB since Yoda croacked, so technically, he only had time to teach himself between TESB and ROTJ(I don't even entertain the thought that that awful "Shadows of the Empire" ever took place, but then who does except Bantam Books?). Anyway, the ending of TESB saw Luke loose his hand, the fight, and he was hanging from an upside down cross(so he's essentially in hell) and almost ready to fall, when he calls for Ben. Sorry, kid no answer. So he calls for Leia, and SHE HEARS HIM! This is important, because this was the first clue that she too could use the force! I suppose Yoda's comment about another, could have only referred to her importance in this scene, hence continuing the second installments perfection. But still, Leia was pulled into the situation, she used the force, and now when she's revealed to be his sister, she had to be included in the rest of the Vader/Luke story. I keep thinking that Palpatine had forseen that had Padme had a daughter, it wouldn't be a threat, but a son would be. I say that, because it might explain why the twins had to be separated, and why Ben chose to stay close to Luke, and not Leia. If there was a little sexism in Palpatine's mind, it might justfiy Ben showing preferential treatment. Also, I why would Palpatine not sense Luke in ROTJ when they went to Endor? That was the single oddest comment the Emperor made, that I just can't figure out. Everthing else fits, but that one seems to come out of left field. Any way, that's my two cents:) " |
| Simone
wrote:
"Okay, while all of you who have written have really good points, I'd like to say what I think will happen regarding the birth of Luke and Leia, their separation and hiding, the death of Padme, the "disease" the Naboo supposedly have, and also that "There is another thing". ? I think that we should see Luke and Leia be born in Episode 3. Otherwise, that would leave too much to be implied in between 3 and 4. ? I seriously doubt that the Naboo have any sort of genetic disease. That really doesn't mesh with anything else in Star Wars. Lucas, to me, doesn't seem the type to go that route. It seems too easy to say, "Well, hmm. I need to get rid of the Naboo, because if I don't then people will wonder why they're not mentioned in Episodes 4, 5, and 6. I know! I'll give them a *genetic disease*! " Come on, people... When they said they were a "dying" race, it doesn't have to be taken litlerally. In fact, I think Lucas would be the kind of person to go the sneaky route and make us think one thing and be totally surprised by the truth... ? I am getting totally pissed at the people who are implying that Leia is inferior to Luke in the way of Force powers because she's female. I also don't think that Luke's powers "rubbed off" on Leia. (If that is so, why doesn't Chewie or someone get it, too?) I think that Leia is as powerful as Luke. Remember when Luke says to Leia, "In time, you will learn to use it as I have"? He pretty much says that she could be his equal if she was trained. I think that this is also the key to Vader overlooking her. She wasn't trained, so therefore she had no Force presence for him to pick up. It's a little foggy, though, how he could miss the fact that she's his daughter, but maybe because she didn't know it, either, he couldn't pull that from her mind. ? I don't think that Padme dying violently is totally out of the question. It would be nice is she died peacfully, or maybe didn't even die at all, but just went off into hiding, but we cannot dismiss the execution thing. I don't know why she would be executed, as a few of you said, Padme herself wasn't really a threat to anyone. But maybe Palpatine wanted to erase all of Anakin's past so he would be more of a slave to the dark side in his new Vader identity. Maybe Padme was Force-sensitive (hey, you never know), and she was killed in the Jedi purge. Even though she wasn't a Jedi, she could still be sensitive and Palpatine might have just remembered that she was. (This sort of brings me to my next point, below, but I'll move on.) And maybe, just maybe, Padme died by accident. A speeder crash, a stray blaster bolt, who knows? ? This radical idea just popped into my mind: what if all of the Naboo were Force-sensitive? Then Palpatine (and Lucas) would have an excuse to get rid of them and Padme. Also, it could lend itself to the thought that maybe Luke and Leia didn't get their Force powers from dear old Dad, but Mom. That would explain why they're so "good". Perhaps the Skywalker line was tainted, and all Skywalkers were prone to falling to the dark side. I dunno... Just a thought. ? I think the idea of a love triangle between Obi-Wan, Anakin, and Padme is good one... To hell with all of this age-difference stuff! (But it does make Obi-Wan and Vader's duel with "swords" a bit too weird for me...) ? For the "There is another" stuff... I think that the idea that Leia was untrained, and therefore not being the Jedi's "last hope" is plausible. But Yoda, who was able to see into the future (even though it was uncertain) saw that she would one day be able to become a Jedi... ? I think that Obi-Wan took Luke to his brother's and then watched him from a distance... I also think that Padme took Leia to her buddy Bail on Alderaan and died... Well, now. I think I've covered all I want to say... If you want to respond to me directly, mail me at either queen_padme@ mailcity.com or kirana_ti@ hotmail.com" |